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' THIS IS SACRED GROUND WITH A POWER FLOWIN' THROUGH. ' / The Waterboys at the Abbey Theatre, Dublin, March 20, 2010. |
When I started listening to Bob Dylan at the age of thirteen I was fascinated by his voice and genius skills of juggling with words and meanings. Shortly after discovering Dylan's galaxy I listened for the first time to The Waterboys. I found their first three records. Back then Fisherman's Blues was about to be released. I was struck immediately. Whatever these songs were meant to be about, to me they were about hunger. As a kid exploring this music I kept it like a jewel. In March 2010 I found myself sitting in an Italian café near Grafton Street in Dublin. Mike Scott, the voice, the head and most of all the heart of the great Waterboys, was entering the room, accompanied by his wife Janette. It was three years before that I've met them in Hague. Half a year later my own band was opening for The Waterboys on their Book of Lightning tour. For the next two hours we sat at the window, talked, drank coffee, relished a hot Minestrone. Outside it was a fresh Irish Monday afternoon in spring. The Waterboys had just finished a week of five sold-out appearances at the Abbey Theatre premiering An Appointment With Mr Yeats.
Mike Scott interviewed by Michael Moravek. Dublin, March 22, 2010
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M.M.: Is your song The Whole of The Moon related to Yeats?M.S.: Specifically no. Yeats wasn’t in my mind when I wrote it. And it’s not about one single person. It’s about a kind of person. But I liked to put it in the show and dedicate it to Yeats as a way of honoring him. We did that every night and we show a little film of him to go with the song.
When you put the band together, how important was a personal connection of each musician to Yeats’ work?
Well actually, not important. There’s sufficient knowledge in Yeats’ work in my own presence in the band and also Steve Wickham who is a long-term reader of Yeats. So between the two of us, we brought enough Yeats-awareness into the show. Our guitar player Joe is a Yeats-reader as well. Perhaps Ruby, the oboe-player, I think she knew Yeats’ work. But most of the others would’ve known only a few poems and that didn’t matter. Though I gave them all copies of Yeats’ selected poems in rehearsals. It really was more important that they could just play the music right. The qualification was that they would perform the music in the spirit in which it was written and bring some of their own spirit to it. That was much more important than whether they had a big knowledge of Yeats. If I’d gone for people who had a big knowledge of Yeats I would probably got the music all wrong. And I would have people who maybe knew all Yeats’ poems but couldn’t play right.
So how long did it take you to put the band together for this project?
I’ve thought about it for a long time. I’ve been consciously preparing the project for the last 15 or 18 months. The first musician I identified was backing vocalist Katie Kim. I heard her play a concert in Dublin in December 2008 and I immediately recognized that I’d found the second voice I wanted for the show. And so I got in touch with her through MySpace. She did some recordings for me on my Yeats demos. And then shortly before the shows began I started rehearsing with her at my house - she lives in Waterford near the South coast - and she would come up a couple of days and rehearse with me and work on the parts. So she was the first one, apart from Steve of course. And then the next, I think, was Joe the guitar player. I knew that I didn’t want to play guitar in most of the show. I like just singing. I sing better when I don’t play. And I can get bored with my guitar playing. So I wanted someone to come in and do that job for me. Joe lives in Dublin and I was very impressed with his records. I respect him a lot. So he was the next. And then one by one I put them all together.
I never saw you sing that long in a set without playing guitar. I think it was one third of the set maybe?
It’s more than that. It’s about half; I think ten or eleven out of the 22.
It was interesting, because the way you acted onstage without an instrument was kind of reciting and singing in one thing.
Well, I love singing without playing an instrument. I just love delivering. I like using my hands as well, when my hands are free. I can really inhabit the song and lyric more than if I’m playing guitar.
You did 5 concerts at the Abbey Theatre which was established by Yeats himself and which has got a very intimate character. Are you planning to do further Yeats-concerts in different places and do you think it will work in a similar way as it did at the Abbey?
Well, it will never be like it was in the Abbey anywhere else, because the Abbey is a special place with its Yeats history and its Irish Theatre history. So that’s a unique event. It’ll never be replicated – unless we do more concerts in the Abbey at some stage. But we have every intention of taking the show out on the road and through other countries and to play in larger theatres. I’m confident that it will translate powerfully into different classic theatres especially in capital cities.
Will it be with the same band?
I hope so, yes. And they all want to do it. They all have other careers, so it’ll be bit of a balancing act, a juggling act, to bring them all together. But our next events will probably be in autumn, six or eight months away. So I think we’ve got enough time to ensure that we get everybody or as many as possible.
How did you experience the interconnection with the audience especially at the Abbey Theatre?
The mystery for me was the first night. During the show we got good respectful applause. But I couldn’t read the audience. I couldn’t quite understand what their response was. And when we finished the last song they all stood up and I knew that we’d won, that the show was a success.
And it happened every night?
It happened every night, but the surprise was the first night - delicious victory.
Have you been nervous about the first reaction?
No, not really. I knew the show was good. And if I believe it’s good, then - whether it is a success or not - I can stand proud in it and I won’t get nervous. I would get nervous if I didn’t believe in it, if I wasn’t confident. But I’m confident, so I don’t get nervous. But I didn’t know what the response would be and I didn’t realize that it would persuade the audience so quickly.
Will there be an album to the concerts?
Yes! But I don’t know what form it will take. The whole future of the show and music is evolving as we go. The only thing I knew for sure was 5 shows at the Abbey Theatre. My team and I have to answer the question of what’s next. Do we tour the show with one-night-concerts like a regular Waterboys-tour? Do we play multiple shows just in capital cities? Do we do that in support of an album or do we do it before there’s an album? Do we record the album live? And we recorded a couple of shows at the Abbey. Or do we do the album in the studio? Do we do a DVD of a concert to go with the album as a big multimedia package? All these questions are in the air at the moment and they haven’t been answered yet. Part of the process of answering them is a financial one. It cost us a lot to stage the show, as the Abbey is a small theatre. We didn’t get paid as much as we would have if we’d played a two thousand seat theatre. So we had to subsidize these concerts. So there isn’t a lot of money left over to record an album and we need financial backing. And The Waterboys aren’t with a record company. The last album was with Universal, but that was just the one-off. So it may be that a record company will come in and want to do this and maybe not. So we have to figure out a way of recording the album even if we don’t have record company finance. But there will be an album. I just don’t know whether it’s a live or studio. And I’d like to do a bonus CD of all my demos, ‘cause I have all the songs recorded at home, and while it wouldn’t be appropriate to release them as “the” album, still I like them a lot, they have a character, they’re like blueprints.
I think that’s great. I’ve heard only your demo of The Four Ages of Man, but it’s wonderful!
Thank you.
How important in your opinion is Yeats for today’s Irish literature?
I don’t really know. I don’t know what’s important for Irish literature. I don’t think about Irish literature very much, to be quite honest. But I’ve got opinions on what’s important for Yeats and I personally feel that it’s important that Yeats gets liberated from the museum. Now the exhibition at the National Library is terrific; it’s important that that exhibition exists and that Yeats is honoured by the nation, because he’s the greatest Irish poet. But I also think it’s important that Yeats’ words are presented in a new way and that people are able to consider them without the crust of years on them. And I feel also that – because Yeats is taught at school in Ireland … See, I’m Scottish. I didn’t get Yeats in school, neither did you. So we approach Yeats freshly. But for the Irish, they all get Yeats stuff rammed down their neck as school kids. And so a lot of them don’t like Yeats or associate him with boring classes at school and maybe were given his most boring poems, or some of his good poems but they were made boring by the way they were taught. And I think it’s important to free Yeats from that. I think our show can do that and be an influence in that direction. But I don’t do it for that reason. I do it because I like it; anything else is a bonus.
Words For Music Perhaps is the title of one of Yeats’ works. Is music a catalyst that feeds spiritual experience?
I think music is like oil. It gets under peoples’ skins very easily in a way that words don’t. It gets to people’s emotions immediately and so music can carry words direct to people’s emotions in a way words on their own perhaps can’t do. You see, a lot of people don’t have patience for poetry, but music can bring the poetry to them swiftly with less effort than they would have to exercise it when they were reading a poem. As for music and spirituality, well – I don’t know. I’m weary of terms like that, because music has lots of applications. It can be used like background in the restaurant where we’re sitting to create an atmosphere, and it can be used as wallpaper, and it can be used to influence people badly, it can be used as torture, as we know. And it can also be used to inspire people in a very high way. They’re all different applications of music and they are all possible.
But for you personally, what does music mean in the way of transporting spiritual experiences?
It’s kind a thing I like to do and not talk about. I like to use music to have an effect on people, but I don’t really want to let them know that I’m aware that I’m working at that. You know what I mean? I’m always weary of artists that say ‘I’m trying to do this, I’m trying to do that’. Don’t telegraph your punches. And also it is very easy for artists to become portentous talking about spiritual applications of music. And most artists who do so don’t know what they are talking about. I think the ones who do understand spiritual applications in music don’t tend to talk about it. To say nothing and say it well. Just do it. – But it’s interesting you picked that title ‘words for music perhaps’. ‘Cause I think that Yeats often wrote his poetry with the intention of it being set to music. So many of them have musical titles - The Ballad of Moll Magee, The Ballad of The Foxhunter, The Song of Wandering Aengus, The Song of The Happy Shepherd, Words For Music Perhaps, Three Songs To The One Tune … again and again he uses these musical titles. He must have accepted that music would be set to these poems.
Down there at the exhibition is that room with recordings of people reading his poems …
… very badly!
I was surprised hearing Yeats read his own poem The Lake Isle of Innisfree, …
